Upon Re-Listening to Matt and Tony Pontificate on 9/11 Deux

Wanted to go through some of the "proof" Matt and Tony have for a conspiracy. There is no theory. So, that's conspiracy anomalies. Screw Loose Change is a fantastic resource for this loony shit.

The cockpit door on flight 77 was never opened according to sensors and local 9/11 Truth experts. So, that should prove no hijacking took place. No word, of course, on the other 3 flights.

The data show that nobody opened the cockpit door on the prior 11 or so flights. Apparently the flight crew never brought in a meal to the pilots, and the pilots never had to take a leak.

So, maybe the sensor was malfunctioning? Moving on to the high level of put options. The only thing I know about the market is "invest in indexes and re-balance yearly." Trust me. I've done it all the wrong ways. 

In actuality, if someone wanted to make money of the attacks, the best way would not be to buy puts in the companies involved, but to short the entire market, or buy oil futures. The Dow dropped over 16% in the weeks after 9/11, and buying puts on the much larger index market could have been done in larger quantities without drawing any attention, but then again the Loose Change boys couldn't put this much more complex theory into an ominous looking graphic in their movie that could be understood by their 20-something audience.

Some of their audience actually skews a little older.  From them I learned that "pull it" is a demolition term. 

One of the more amusing mythologies of the 9/11 denial movement is the claim that the phrase "pull it" is an industry term for demolishing a building with explosives. This was created, of course, so that Larry Silverstein could have casually confessed to being involved in the plot during an interview with PBS. There is, however, absolutely nothing to show that this is in fact true, but that has not kept the conspiracy geeks from repeating it to themselves so many times that it self-referentially becomes widespread knowledge that the term "pull it" refers to controlled demolition.

Just for the record, a photo from SLC of Tower 7 burning.

There was mention during the show of a picture of the outside of the Pentagon with no wreckage at around 26 minutes in. Go here for pictures of the outside of the Pentagon with wreckage.

It was mentioned during the discussion that skyscrapers don't fall in 9.8 seconds. I'm not a scientist. Fortunately some people are.

If the video evidence gives such a great ranges of guesses, then maybe another approach is required, at least as a crosscheck. We tried looking at the audio of each collapse, and came up with a minimum of 14 seconds in each case (see our South Tower and North Tower pages for more), and the potential for them to have taken several seconds longer.  Calculating these times involves far too many judgement calls for us to claim proof of anything, but we do think it adds significantly more support to the 15+ seconds collapse time, and makes the 8.4 second end of the spectrum look particularly unlikely.

If you go to youtube, you can see clips of buildings being imploded and clips of the towers falling. Clearly the towers started from the top down. Implosions start from the bottom up. I'm sure that's just a clever trick to throw off the Truth tellers, tho.

What the author at SLC says here is what I've felt for some time:

They do not want an investigation, they want an investigation which gives them the results that they desire.

They are Questioners who are not sincerely seeking Answers. I just wanted to put this clip up because it was brought up during the discussion what a "goldmine" of info the 9/11 Pilots for Truth are.

Yes, John Lear is one of the of the Pilots for Truth.

How can people actually believe this stuff? This man definitely needs help. Anyone that puts any faith in 9/11 theories needs help. Please seek it if you do. 

Upon Re-Listening to Matt and Tony Pontificate on 9/11

Because I'm bored. So thanks to Matt for this link. And oldie, but goodie. And this link from Brian Mann.

"I do believe that when you look at three buildings coming down with your naked eye that it is kind of bizarre that they all look exactly like planned demolitions. It doesn't really seem to make sense that airplanes hitting buildings would have caused that to occur."

Unbelievable! He wants to represent me in Congress.

"If we actually had passengers on those airliners, if there actually were terrorists on board, there are easier things to point to that don't make sense."

No, I don't know what that means. 

"If you wish to believe that the planned demolition of three skyscrapers in Manhattan by parties unknown was reason enough for us to invade two sovereign nations and kill hundreds of thousands of civilians (and endanger and maim and kill thousands of our own soldiers and warriors) then you and I will simply disagree."

I think it's possible to disagree with the invasions of Iraq and/or Afghanistan without believing there were planned demolitions of those buildings along with over 3000 murders. 

Funiciello told 7 News he's never made any claims about who was behind 9/11, and doesn't want to speculate. He said "We haven't thoroughly investigated the event."

That's the part I love and the reason that conspiracy theory is such a misnomer. It's more like conspiracy trivial pursuit or kids trading baseball cards.

He expanded on the theme during his interview vwith 7 News Monday. He said Tower 7 collapsed "with really no evidence that any damage had been done."

Absolutely ridiculous. 

Keeping Godwin Alive

First, I want to implore Mark Frost to put the Chronicle online so I can just copy and paste from it. Mark, it will be so good for you to receive all of the zero readers from my blog hitting your site. At least consider it.

OK, so here's Susan Balfour whom I'd like to give a big thanks to. Every now and then when I write a letter to the editor, I feel like a crank. That's actually every time that I do. There's a fine line between crank and gadfly you know. So here's Susan today:

I graduated form Glens Falls High in 1970 with 245 students. Having lived here may entire life. I have witnessed tremendous growth in Glens Falls. So many more houses have been built and many families have moved here.

One would think the number of graduates would be close to the same or more. It is shocking that in 2014 only 130 students graduated. 

So, a web search of US birth rates gives me 25 per 1000 people in 1952 when Susan Balfour was presumably born and 15 per 1000 in 1995 when 2013 graduates were born.

Yes, families are having fewer children, but I wonder how many of those that would have graduated were aborted babies?

So, you're writing this letter based on pure speculation. Could it be that, among many other things, this had something to do with it? Then, I'm pretty certain she considers that to be some form of murder against sperm.

I wonder what talents and gifts were killed with those aborted.

You know, one of them might have been the next Hitler, too.

If we don't think abortion has an impact on every hometown, think again, the evidence is right before your eyes!

Uh, no it really isn't

There Is None So Blind As He Who Will Not See

There are some who feel because BBC mistakenly reported the collapse of Tower 7 that it is some kind of evidence for conspiracy. I want to go through some of the "evidence" Tony Cerro and Matt Funiciello reveal on this show. There's so much stuff out there, it's been better debunked by Screw Loose Change on my blog roll.

I'm going to start with the Tower 7 assertions since that seems to be what the Truthers have moved onto. Here's SLC on the thermite questions.

I appreciate the work many have done to debunk all this bullshit. Yes, it is difficult to believe there was confusion on a day like 9/11.

If you have more time.

This covers most of Cerro and Funiciello's "Questioning." Was the NY Fire and Police Departments in on the conspiracy along with the BBC? Don't get your news from Alex Jones and infowars.

How do the anomalies these people point to add up to a consistent theory? Another question begging for answer.

See Mark Loizeaux at 27:45 for a discussion of placing explosive charges in a building for demolition.

At 57:00 Frank Papalia says that the whole conspiracy theory thing shows a lack of respect for friends he's lost as a firefighter. I'm with him absolutely.

The lovely and talented Michael Shermer covers many of the "questions" in this clip. After you watch it, get a copy of "Why People Believe Weird Things" or go to skeptic.com.

I'm officially (I hope) done with 9/11. Fascinating stuff, though. I swear half the internet is devoted to either pro or con 9/11 Truth.

To see what people can bring themselves to believe and then totally ignore all logic and evidence that your wack-a-doodle ideas are wrong is amazing. I started to say wack-a-doodle theories, but there is no all encompassing theory. It's just pick out an anomaly here and there, then say that proves it was an inside job. And, of course, ignore any explanation of the anomaly. And if all else fails, holler CIA loudly.

They also refuse to come right out and say what the implications would be of their "theory" being correct. There would have to be the involvement of at least tens of thousands of people willing to carry this out and then keep quiet about it. And they would all have to be out and out psychopaths.